不朽真情

传记伟大人物本身和主演加叔的表演都是无论比的。但是好莱坞为了电影所谓”不朽性“，严重胡编乱造竟然编出”贝多芬与乔安娜 “的不朽之恋，去死，没有这样亵渎伟人的。我希望:有一个好的团队，真心为完完全全属于贝多芬的传记电影的出现，成为不朽。期待着。。。
与诸多的名人一样，贝多芬也留下了许许多多的迷团，不过这部电影提出的假设似乎太狗血太八卦太......知音了一点。不过有加里.奥德曼的精彩表演和至始至中贯穿其中的不朽经典交响乐为电影增加了可观赏性。全片对于《欢乐颂》的处理极为精彩。

2008-04-18 23:45:37

今晚看了1994年的电影Immortal Beloved. 电影的故事由贝多芬去世后留下的收信人是“不朽的情人”的情书展开。

看完电影后的唯一的感受是: 岁月流逝, 唯有艺术和爱情永存!

多年前看过罗曼罗兰的《贝多芬传》, 依稀还记得书的结尾: 一个不幸的人，贫穷，残疾，孤独，由痛苦造成的人，世界不给他欢乐，他却创造了欢乐来给予世界！他用他的苦难来铸成欢乐，好似他用那句豪语来说明的，——那是可以总结他一生，可以成为一切英勇心灵的箴言的： “用痛苦换来的欢乐”

The Origin of the Letters
July 6, in the morning
My angel, my all, my very self - Only a few words today and at that with pencil (with yours) - Not till tomorrow will my lodgings be definitely determined upon - what a useless waste of time - Why this deep sorrow when necessity speaks - can our love endure except through sacrifices, through not demanding everything from one another; can you change the fact that you are not wholly mine, I not wholly thine - Oh God, look out into the beauties of nature and comfort your heart with that which must be - Love demands everything and that very justly - thus it is to me with you, and you with me. But you forget so easily that I must live for me and for you; if we were wholly united you would feel the pain of it as little as I - My journey was a fearful one: I did not reach here until 4 o'clock yesterday morning. Lacking horses the postcoach chose another route, but what an awful one; at the stage before the last I was warned not to travel at night; I was made fearful of the forest, but that only made me the more eager - and I was wrong. The coach must needs break down on the wretched road, a bottomless mud road. Without such postilions as I had with me I should have remained stuck in the road. Esterhazy, traveling the usual road here, had the same fate with eight horses that I had with four - yet I got some pleasure out of it, as I always do when I successfully overcome difficulties - Now a quick change to things internal from things external. We shall surely see each other soon; moreover, today I cannot share with you the thoughts I have had during these last few days touching my own life - If our hearts were always close together, I would have none of these. My heart is full of so many things to say to you - ah - there are moments when I feel that speech amounts to nothing at all - Cheer up - remain my true, my only treasure, my all as I am yours. The gods must send us the rest, what for us must and shall be-
Your faithful Ludwig

Evening, Monday, July 6
You are suffering, my dearest creature - only now have I learned that letters must be posted very early in the morning on Mondays - Thursdays - the only day on which the mail-coach goes from here to K. - You are suffering - Ah, wherever I am, you are with me - I will arrange it with you and me that I can live with you. What a life!!!! thus!!!! without you - pursued by the goodness of mankind hither and thither - which I as little want to deserve as I deserve it - Humility of man towards man - it pains me - and when I consider myself in relation to the universe, what am I and what is He - whom we call the greatest - and yet - herein lies the divine in man - I weep when I reflect that you will probably not receive the first report from me until Saturday - Much as you love me - I love you more - But do not ever conceal yourself from me - good night - As I am taking the baths I must go to bed - Oh God - so near! so far! Is not our love truly a heavenly structure, and also as firm as the vault of Heaven? -

Good morning, on July 7
Though still in bed, my thoughts go out to you, my Immortal Beloved, not and then joyfully, then sadly, waiting to learn whether or not fate will hear us - I can only live wholly with you or not at all - Yes, I am resolved to wander so long away from you until I can fly to your arms and say that I am really at home with you, and can send my soul enwrapped in you into the lands of spirits - Yes unhappily it must be so - You will be the more contained since you know my fidelity to you. No one else can ever possess my heart - never - never - Oh God, why must one be parted from one whom one so loves. And yet my life in V[ienna] is now a wretched life - Your love makes me at once the happiest and the unhappiest of men - at my age I need a steady, quiet life - can that be so in out connection? My angel, I have just been told that the mailcoach goes everyday - therefore I must close at once so that you may receive the l[etter] at once. - Be calm, only by a calm consideration of our existence can we achieve out purpose to live together - Be calm - love me - today - yesterday - what tearful longings for you - you - you - my life - my all - farewell. -Oh continue to love me - never misjudge the most faithful heart of you beloved.

ever thine
ever mine L.
ever ours

1 音乐安排得非常出色（虽然开头的死亡镜头用贝五有点窠臼）
2 Oldman太出彩了，远超出预期值
3 欢乐颂的处理真是妙不可言，一瞬间忽然想到了2001 Space Odessey最后的星孩，于是想起老库也喜欢贝多芬，然后又忽然想到了苏鲁支和尼采。。。两百年过去，谁又能说清贝九究竟讲了一个什么样的事情？只有星空和童年的回答能真的令人信服

至于那几段狗血。。。就当欣赏一下华美的服装和场景吧

       明天就要答辩了，原本今天是要准备论文陈述的，可在图书馆坐下来却看了部贝多芬的传记片，immortal love，看完之后心情激动。
      贝多芬是我最早了解、也是听得最多的音乐家了。记得高三的时候，我每周下午用出租屋里破烂的DVD播放贝九，反复循环一下午，边听贝九边做作业。后来上了大学，贝九无论在我的播放器还是电脑还是手机里，始终都是保留曲目，听了无数遍，听过各个版本，然而始终觉得卡拉扬的版本最正宗，也许这只是因为最初接受的时候就听的是卡拉扬的版本，所以后来者都觉得有些奇怪，尤其是广受称赞的福特文格勒的柏林版本，费了老大的劲找到，可最后乐章的速度完全忍受不了。从贝九入门以后，便是听全套的贝交，再到全套的sonata，再到钢协，再到弦乐四重奏，老贝的曲目都听得七七八八了，于是开始听巴赫、莫扎特、舒伯特、勃拉姆斯、肖邦、拉郝玛尼诺夫、老柴，每个人都爱过一段时间，尤其是巴赫的哥德堡、赋格的艺术，莫扎特的安魂曲、小夜曲、几首钢协、圆号协奏、几首交响，舒伯特的第九、第八、东之旅，肖邦的一二钢协、夜曲，这些浩如烟海的曲目让我很长时间内都忘了老贝的存在。然而今天机缘巧合打开这部电影，熟悉的旋律一响起，我仍然激动不已。
      贝多芬对我们而言并不陌生，即使是小时候没有听过他的音乐之前，也知道他是一个扼住命运咽喉的男人，知道他失聪之后反而作出了艺术史上最伟大的贝九，知道他鄙视歌德的谦卑，知道他的暴怒，知道他紧抿着的嘴唇和竖起来的头发。在小时候，贝多芬从来都是作为一个励志的模范，被茨威格收入在三大师里面广为传颂的人物被了解、被学习。但对他了解越多，也许就越不喜欢他，和莫扎特和巴赫对比，他没有前者的单纯，也不像后者的虔诚。他暴躁、专横、偏执、刻薄，任何他身边的人都忍受不了他，他从来不反省自己的错误，和兄弟决裂，逼死侄儿，欠债、拖稿、欺骗出版社，到了晚年好几年不作曲，甚至还有娈童的嫌疑。
      一直觉得，在巴赫理性、冷静的音乐背后，始终潜藏着爱的狂热，在马太受难曲中喷薄而出。在莫扎特欢快、明亮的声响背后，实际是来自神的悲悯，在安魂曲中悲悯终于从幕后走向前台。而贝多芬雄伟、澎湃的曲调只是不加掩饰的凡人的怒吼，凡人的忧伤，凡人的痛苦，也有凡人的无奈和幸福。
       巴赫、莫扎特、贝多芬这三尊西方音乐史最伟大的塑像中，只有贝多芬是完完全全属人的。
       电影之中，贝多芬问朋友音乐的意义是什么，朋友回答说是传达音乐家的精神，贝多芬否定了这个回答，他说音乐只是传达作者在那个时候、那个地点的情感，但他们的传达是暴君式的，无论你接不接受，无论你有没有做好准备，一旦音乐开始，你就被拖入作者情感的漩涡之中，颤动不已。
        我并不完全理解音乐的意义，但我认为音乐是最高的艺术，是一切人类学问中最伟大的存在，它直击的是人的灵魂，即便是已经丧失灵魂的现代人，听到伟大的音乐仍然会为之一震，不敢移动半步，在无意识中被音乐控制，犹如此时呆立的我。

几个片段讲述他的所爱，女学生茱莉亚，他的弟弟，红颜知己安娜，没有天分的小卡尔，还有他的弟媳。或许那份不朽的爱并非特指某一个女人或者男人，它流淌在贝多芬的生命线里，最终归入的大海的只是他的爱本身。
 
本片对贝多芬的塑造有些腼腆匆忙，无法将一个鲜活完好的贝多芬直观地展现给观众，足够饱满却有裂缝，还好没有破碎掉。而我看到的这位音乐巨匠，首先是一个从未停止过爱的人。
 
可惜的是，他表达爱的方式有时太过锋利，他的心也太敏感，而在当时的世界上，还没有谁能够完全理解他这个被造物者用纯粹的爱与音乐锻造出来的人。他的灵魂深处有一片只属于他与音乐缪斯的净土，谁能够看见并欣赏这片净土而又不打扰它的话，或许便能理解他了吧。
泪点很多。加里奥德曼的温柔眼神总是小心翼翼，目光清澈，生怕触疼了每一片风景。我印象中的贝多芬总是愤怒，怒斥命运与伤痛，他的贝多芬却更像一个将伤痛内化成无限激情的人，而非向外的反抗，显然，他那时常与周遭的冲突也不是愤世嫉俗似的。他的爱很纯净，没有怨恨，无论他吼得多大声，怎样伸长手臂去扼住命运的咽喉，我也看不到怨恨。
 
经典片段：欢乐颂，少年贝多芬奔跑在夜晚的树林里，前方是自由，他躺在湖面，仰望星空，整个宇宙充满激昂的宁静。
那一刻，他的灵魂已经找到了归宿。

mmortal beloved- -

My angel, my all, my other self.
Just a few words today,
and that in pencil.
Yours.
Only tomorrow will I know for certain where I am to stay.
A worthless waste of time and such.
Why this deep sorrow?
If we could be united, we would feel this pain no longer.
Where I am you are with me too.
Soon we shall live together, and what a life it will be.
 
The journey was dreadful.
I did not arrive here until 4 in the morning.
At the last stop, they warned me against traveling at night, and tried to frighten me about a forest, but that only tempted me.
The coach had to go and break down on? Such a terrible road for no reason.
Just a country road, and now I am held up completely.
But I have found another, and we will surely see one another soon.
Today, I hope.
I have to see you.

However much you love me, I love you more.
Never hide yourself from me.
While still in my bed, my thoughts turn to you, my immortal beloved.
Some of them happy, some sad, waiting to see whether fate will hear us.
I can live only completely with you or not at all.
Yes! It must be.

I must go to sleep now.
Be calm, love.
Today, yesterday, what longing with tears for you.
You...
You're my life.
My everything.
Farewell, then.
Go on loving me.
Ever yours, ever mine, forever.

                                                                                                 Ludwig Van Beethoven

我的不朽的爱人：我已经上床睡觉了，但种种思念都集中在你的身上，时而喜不自胜，时而又悲痛欲绝。期待着命运，可不知它是否会对我们垂青？或者我能够彻底地和你一起生活，或者根本做不到这一点，但我已决定四处飘泊，直到能够投入你的怀抱、完全可被称作你家庭中的一员、能由你将我的心灵送入精神世界为止。最后一点必须坚持，你应能明白我的意思，因为你了解我对你的忠实，决没有另外一个人能够占据我这颗心，决不会有这事，决不会有此事！ 上帝呀！人所钟爱的，为什么必须远远的分离？而我现在的生活却又为何充满烦恼？──你的爱情使我欢乐，同时又让我苦不甚言：在我这样的年纪上，需要的是一种整齐美满的生活，这一点能够在我们的关系中确立么？天使啊，我刚刚打听到：邮差每天都要出发，所以我必须到此结束，以使你能迅速收入到这封信，请你安静些──你要爱我──今天──昨天──我因思念你而不觉泪下如雨──你──是我的生命──是我的一切──祝你安好，啊，你要继续爱我──永远不要误解你的爱人最忠实的心。 　 永远是你的 永远是我的 永远是我们的
另译
Immortal beloved- -
       致永恒恋人
贝多芬
    早安，我永恒的爱人，我的思想已经飞到你身边来了，忽而高兴，忽而忧伤，等待着命运的判决，不知他是否会顺从我们的心愿？
    我最亲爱的人儿——我想把我们的事安排一下，使自己能活下去，而且是和你生活在一起。像这样没有你的生活——为人类的福利所驱使而东奔西走——我实在不配做这种工作，也没有这种意愿。
     这是我一生中第一次懂得自己需要什么，我只能完全和你生活在一起，要么根本就活不下去。
    是的，我决定离别到外面去漂泊些时候，直到我能在你怀里对你说，我真的回来了，并把我的灵魂和你裹在一起，让它飘到神仙世界里去。是的，非如此不可——但愿你会比我更坚决，因为你知道我对你的忠诚——再也没有别人能占有我的心了——不会有——永远不会有——啊，上帝!一个人为什么非和自己最亲爱的人离别不可呢？
    人对人的屈从——使我痛苦——可是当把自己和宇宙放在一起考虑的时候，我算得了什么？所谓英雄豪杰又算得了什么呢？——你爱我很深，我爱你更深——永远是你的，永远是我的，永远是彼此的。

本人观后感 一封出自大师贝多芬的信 「永远的爱人」这封信是在贝多芬书房的秘密抽屉被发现的，这封信没有写收信人地址、日期不全，而且从未寄出，彷佛是一封冲动下自我表白的信。

包括贝多芬最长期的亲密朋友兼助理辛德勒在内，没有人能顺利宣称这封信的可能收信人之身分，无任何确实证据。于是这封信成为贝多芬的一个谜，随贝多芬长眠于地下，我们得到天国去问他。
 前几天看了关于此信的名为'不朽真情'的电影 .其中男主角关于次信的念白打动了我,此念白极具深清,男主角用他那动情而富有磁性的声音向大家描述,仿佛让人经历了一次SPA,不可名状,妙不可言.我竟不知,我是被此信打动,还是被主角的动情声音打动.

我想即使是译为中文也是同样令人为之动容.我也同时觉得贝多芬的确可以被称为神,有些人就是可以成为人.但是如果你认为你是神那么你就是神!-------完